Another thing is, your assumption about me and GM is incorrect: I've used QBasic, C, C++, Java, and even assembly (briefly) and have created game engines from scratch, and I fully realize how hard they are to create. That's *exactly why* I use Game Maker now, because I'd rather focus on the actual game design than on low-level stuff like how to show a sprite on the screen and whatnot. So I recognize that creating a game engine that can't do much more than RPG Maker or Game Maker can do can be an achievement, I just don't think it's a *game design* achievement, it's more of a programming achievement. It doesn't say anything about their ability to create games one way or the other.